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1Mr. At. Gen.     Now, my Lord, we shall go to
2our Evidence to prove, that all this is absolutely
3false: For Ireland went out of Town into Staffordshire ,
4and did not return till after the 9th of September .
5And for this, we call Anne Ireland .

6    Who was sworn.

7Mr. Sol. Gen.     Mrs. Ireland , pray where did you
8take your leave of your Brother Mr. Ireland , who
9was executed in Summer 1678, and when?

10Mrs. A. Ireland.     I took my leave of him the beginning
11of August .

12Mr. Sol. Gen.     What day in August , do you
13remember?

14Mrs. A. Ireland.     The 3d of August .

15Mr. Sol. Gen.     Where was it?

16Mrs. A. Ireland.     In my own Lodging.

17L. C. J.     Where was your Lodging?

18Mrs. A. Ireland.     In Russel-street, Covent-Garden .

19L. C. J.     Now tell us again the time when it
20was?

21Mrs. A. Ireland.     It was on Saturday Morning, as
22I remember, the 3d of August , the Saturday after
23St. Ignatius's Day.

24L. C. J.     How come you remember so particularly,
25that it was then?

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26Mrs. A. Ireland.     Because upon St. Ignatius's Day,
27we were invited to Mr. Gifford's at Hammersmith ;
28my Brother, my Mother, and I, were invited to
29stay all Night: But my Brother refused to stay,
30because -

31L. C. J.     Which Brother? What was his Name?

32Mrs. A. Ireland.     William Ireland.

33L. C. J.     Did they stay there?

34Mrs. A. Ireland.     No, my Lord, my Brother came
35home on foot, but we staid all Night.

36Mr. At. Gen.     Here is an Almanack of that Year:
37And the 3d of August was on a Saturday .

38Mrs. A. Ireland.     He said he could no stay, because
39he was to go into the Country upon Saturday .
40I ask'd him, Why he would set out on Saturday?
41And says he, I'll go to Standen; there I shall
42meet with my Lord Aston, and his Family; and
43have an Opportunity to go with him into
44Staffordshire.

45L. C. J.     She says, he went out of Town on Saturday
46after St. Ignatius's Day; which was Saturday
47the 3d of August . But there being a Discourse
48between her and her Brother, why he should make
49choice of a Saturday ; which she thought, it seems,
50was an inconvenient Day to take a Journey on:
51And upon that, her Brother made answer again,
52That that Night he would only go to Standen , to
53my Lord Aston's House, where he should meet
54with Company to go along with him into
55Staffordshire .

56Mr. At. Gen.     What Day of the Week was St.
57Ignatius's Day?

58Mrs. A. Ireland.     St. Ignatius's Day was on a
59Wednesday .

60L. C. J.     What day of the Month is St. Ignatius's
61Day?

62Mrs. A. Ireland.     It is either the last Day of July ,
63or the 1st of August .

64L. C. J.     Look on your Almanack, if you have
65any one of that Year, Mr. Attorney.

66Mr. At. Gen.     We have no such Saint in our
67Almanack.

68Mrs. A. Ireland.     It was, as near as I can remember,
69the 3d of August , that he went out of Town.

70Mr. Sol. Gen.     The 3d of August , at that time,
71was on a Saturday .
72Lord Petre. St. Ignatius's Day is always the last
73Day of July , my Lord.

74Mr. At. Gen.     In this Almanack, another Saint
75has justled him out; and that is Bishop German .

76L. C. J.     And in my Almanack, a third has justled
77them both out: but my Lord Petre says, it is
78always the last of July ; and that was on a Wednesday
79that Year.

80Mrs. A. Ireland.     I remember it was on a
81Wednesday .

82L. C. J.     And you are sure he went out of Town
83the Saturday after?

84Mrs. A. Ireland.     Yes, I am sure he went out of
85Town then; for I asked him, why he would go on
86a Saturday ? And he told me, he would go but to
87Standen that Night.

88Mr. Sol. Gen.     And that does hold, according to
89the Computation, to be the 3d of August .

90Oates.     My Lord, she is not positive in this, that
91he went out of Town the 3d of August .

92Mr. At. Gen.     Yes, but she is; for she says, that
93she was the Wednesday before (which was St. Ignatius's
94Day) with him a little way out of Town.

95L. C. J.     And that it was Saturday after he went
96out of Town; and she gives the Reason, that she
97entered into a Discourse with him, why he would go

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98on Saturday ? And he made that Answer which
99you hear.

100Mr. Just. Withins.     Mr. Oates knows what Day
101St. Ignatius's Day is upon, I presume.

102Oates.     It is the last Day of July , I think.

103Mr. Sol. Gen.     In our Protestant Almanacks, it
104seems, we give another Bishop place.

105Mr. At. Gen.     Mrs. Ireland , when did you see him
106again?

107Mrs. A. Ireland.     Just a Fortnight before Michaelmas ,
108and not before.

109L. C. J.     You were his near Relation, I suppose?

110Mrs. A. Ireland.     Yes, my Lord, I was his Sister.

111L. C. J.     Pray, when he came to Town again,
112where did he lodge?

113Mrs. A. Ireland.     He used to lodge at the same
114place where we did always; and in the mean time,
115while he was absent, my Mother lent one Mrs. Eagleston
116his Lodging.

117L. C. J.     Is that Person, you lent his Chamber to
118in his Absence, here?

119Mrs. A. Ireland.     No, my Lord.

120L. C. J.     When did she enter upon his Lodging?

121Mrs. A. Ireland.     Truly, my Lord, I cannot tell;
122her Maid fell sick, and so she came down a pair
123of Stairs lower into his Lodging. It was in a short
124time after he went out of Town, my Lord, as I
125remember.

126L. C. J.     When did he come to Town again, do
127you say?

128Mrs. A. Ireland.     He came to Town again a Fortnight
129before Michaelmas ; that Michaelmas-day fell
130on -

131L. C. J.     Have you any Questions to ask her, Mr.
132Oates ?

133Oates.     My Lord, I desire to know, why she did
134not give this Evidence before? Or whether ever
135she did give this Evidence at any of the Trials?

136Mrs. A. Ireland.     Yes, I was at my Brother's Trial;
137and there I gave the same Evidence.

138Oates.     Were you there at the Trial of the five Jesuits?
139And did you give the same Evidence then?

140Mrs. A. Ireland.     No, I was not call'd.

141L. C. J.     But were you there?

142Mrs. A. Ireland.     I was in the Court at the same
143time, but was not examin'd.

144Oates.     What Year is it you speak of, that he went
145out of Town the 3d of August ?

146Mrs. A. Ireland.     The Year 78.

147Oates.     I desire, my Lord, to ask this Gentlewoman,
148what Religion she is of?

149Mrs. A. Ireland.     I am a Roman Catholick, my
150Lord.

151Oates.     I desire to know, whether her Name be
152Ireland or Ironmonger ?

153Mrs. A. Ireland.     My right Name is Ironmonger ;
154but because of his Profession, he went by the Name
155of Ireland ; and for his sake we go by that Name
156too.

157Oates.     By what Name did you give Evidence at
158Ireland's Trial?

159Mrs. A. Ireland.     By that Name of Ireland.

160L. C. J.     Why, Mr. Oates , that is a good Name
161enough to be call'd by; you may remember, you
162were called Titus Ambrosius , and Sampson Lucy , at
163St. Omers .

164Mr. At. Gen.     Swear Mrs. Eleanor Ireland .

165    Which was done.

166Mr. At. Gen.     When did your Son go out of
167Town?

168Mrs. El. Ireland.     The 3d of August .

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169Mr. Sol. Gen.     Are you sure it was the 3d of
170August ?

171Mrs. El. Ireland.     Yes, I am sure it was.

172Mr. Sol. Gen.     What Year was it?

173Mrs. El. Ireland.     My Memory is not good enough
174for that; I cannot tell what Year, my Daughter
175can.

176Mr. Sol. Gen.     Was it the same Year he was tried
177afterwards?

178Mrs. El. Ireland.     Yes, it was the same Summer;
179at Michaelmas after he was taken up.

180Mr. Sol. Gen.     What time did he return again out
181of the Country?

182Mrs. El. Ireland.     The 14th of September after.

183Oates.     My Lord, I would ask her, Whether or
184no she gave this Evidence at her Son's Trial?

185Mrs. El. Ireland     Yes, I was a Witness there;
186but they would not permit me to speak half
187so much; they would hardly let me speak at
188all.

189Oates.     I desire to know, whether she was an Evidence
190at the five Jesuits Trials?

191Mrs. El. Ireland.     No, I was not there then.

192Mr. At. Gen.     Pray swear Mrs. Duddle , and Mrs.
193Quino .

194    Which was done.

195Mr. Sol. Gen.     Come, Mrs. Duddle , do you remember
196when Mr. Ireland went out of Town, in
197the Year 78?

198Mrs. Duddle.     To the best of my Remembrance,
199it was the 3d of August .

200Mr. Sol. Gen.     Why do you think it was the 3d
201of August ?

202Mrs. Duddle.     He went for a Recreation out of
203Town three Days before, which was upon an Holiday,
204St. Ignatius's Day; and he went out of Town
205one Night then, and he came and staid but two
206Nights after; and went out of Town upon the
207Saturday .

208L. C. J.     Did he stay out of Town one Night?

209Mrs. Duddle.     Yes, he staid out of Town all
210Night.

211L. C. J.     Are you sure he staid all Night?

212Mrs. Duddle.     I am sure he staid but one Night.

213L. C. J.     But what say you to that, Mr. Attorney?
214this Witness contradicts the other.

215Mr. Just. Withins.     Ay, plainly.

216Mrs. Duddle.     Mrs. Ireland , and Mrs. Anne Ireland ,
217and he went out upon a Recreation out of
218Town, it being Holiday; and I remember well,
219that was of a Wednesday : And that Saturday he went
220away, and never came again till a Fortnight before
221Michaelmas .

222L. C. J.     But mind my Question, Woman.

223Mrs. Duddle.     Yes, my Lord.

224L. C. J.     Did he come home that Night he went
225on the Recreation?

226Mrs. Duddle.     I do not know.

227L. C. J.     But just now, you swore he staid out all
228Night?

229Mrs. Duddle.     No, my Lord.

230L. C. J.     Yes, but you did though; prithee mind
231what thou art about.

232Mrs. Duddle.     I do not say he, but I am sure his
233Sister and the Company staid out that Night. I remember
234very well, he went the third Day after,
235which was Saturday . And Mr. Jennison came to ask
236for him three Weeks after; and there was a Person
237of Quality with him in the Coach; I think it was
238Sir Miles Wharton. And he asking for him, they
239gave him an account, that they had not heard from
240him since he went; which was then three Weeks
241after he was gone. And I remember well, he did

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242not come to Town again till a Fortnight before
243Michaelmas .

244L. C. J.     How can you tell that?

245Mrs. Duddle.     My Lord, I can tell it very well:
246For I was almost every Night in the Room where
247he used to lie; and there lay a Gentlewoman there,
248that I knew.

249L. C. J.     What was her Name?

250Mrs. Duddle.     Mrs. Eagleston .

251L. C. J.     How come she to lie there?

252Mrs. Duddle.     Her Maid fell sick, and she chang'd
253her own Chamber, and lay there all the time he was
254out of Town.

255Oates.     My Lord, is this good Evidence?

256L. C. J.     Ay, why not?

257Oates.     My Lord, I think she contradicts the other
258Witness: For she says he lay out two Nights.

259L. C. J.     No, there you are mistaken too. But
260I tell you what I did observe before. Mrs. Anne
261Ireland swore, that they did stay all night; but
262Mr. Ireland refused to stay there, but would go
263home, because he was to go his Journey on Saturday .
264Then this Woman comes; and she said at
265first, that he went out of Town on the Wednesday ,
266and staid out all Night, and lay at home but two
267Nights, and then went away. But now when I put
268her in mind to take care what she said, she swears,
269she is sure the Sister lay out, but she is not sure of
270Ireland's lying out. But she is positive he went away
271on Saturday the 3d of August , and return'd
272not till a Fortnight before Michaelmas .

273Oates.     My Lord, I humbly conceive, she having
274once sworn false -

275L. C. J.     Ay, but she immediately recollected
276her self.

277Oates.     By what Token does she remember it to
278be the 3d of August ?

279L. C. J.     She said before, it was the Saturday after
280St. Ignatius's Day, which was on a Wednesday ,
281the last Day of July ; and he went then out of
282Town. She call'd it by the Name of Recreation .

283Oates.     Was it the Saturday after St. Ignatius's
284Day?

285Mrs. Duddle.     Yes, it was: And I had not remember'd
286it, but that it was upon that Holiday.

287Oates.     This is a Roman Catholick, I suppose, my
288Lord.

289L. C. J.     I cannot tell. What Religion are you of?

290Mrs. Duddle.     I am a Roman Catholick, my Lord.
291Mr. Jennison knows what I say to be true.

292Oates.     Were you a Witness in any of the Trials
293at the Old-Bailey ?

294Mrs. Duddle.     I was in the Court, but was not
295call'd.

296Mr. Sol. Gen.     What say you, Mrs. Quino ? When
297did Mr. Ireland go out of Town?

298Mrs. Quino.     I must say the same; it was the 3d
299Day of August , on a Saturday .

300L. C. J.     How do you know that it was on a Saturday
301the 3d of August ?

302Mrs. Quino.     By the same Reason that she speaks.
303I mark'd that other Day he went out of Town;
304and he came again, and his Mother staid there that
305Night: And he went on Saturday Morning out of
306Town. I know it very well; for my Husband was
307his Taylor, and he had somewhat to alter in his
308Clothes; and I brought it immediately after it was
309done.

310L. C. J.     Are you sure he went out of Town that
311Day?

312Mrs. Quino.     He went out of the House, and as
313I take it, went out of Town?

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314L. C. J.     Did he say, he was to go out of Town?

315Mrs. Quino.     He had his Boots on; and took
316Horse at the Bull-Inn in Drury-lane .

317L. C. J.     How do you know it?

318Mrs. Quino.     Because his Servant that was there
319has testified it.

320Mr. At. Gen.     Now swear my Lord Aston .
321Which
322was done.
323We'll bring Ireland now upon the 3d
324of August at Night, to my Lord Aston's House at
325Standen .

326Mr. Sol. Gen.     Pray will your Lordship give my
327Lord and the Jury an account, when Mr. Ireland
328came to your House, and how far he travelled
329with you afterwards?

330Lord Aston.     My Lord, being in Town, I was
331spoke to, and desired, that Mr. Ireland might have
332the Opportunity of going in my Company down
333into Staffordshire ; which I consented to. I went
334out of Town, as I remember, the latter end of
335July 1678, and this same Mr. Ireland came to me
336at my house in Hertfordshire at Standen , upon the
3373d of August at Night.

338L. C. J.     What Day of the Week was that, my
339Lord?

340Lord Aston.     As I remember, it was Saturday ,
341and in the Evening.

342L. C. J.     How long did he stay with your
343Lordship?

344Lord Aston.     My Lord, I staid till Monday at
345Standen ; and upon Monday he went in my Company
346to St. Albans , which was the 5th of August .

347Mr. At. Gen.     Whither then did you go, my
348Lord?

349Lord Aston.     There I met with my Brother and
350Sister Southcoat .

351L. C. J.     Sir John Southcoat you mean, my Lord.

352Lord Aston.     Yes, my Lord. And thence, in
353four Days, we went to my House at Tixhall .

354L. C. J.     Did Mr. Ireland travel with you all the
355way?

356Lord Aston.     I cannot charge my Memory, my
357Lord, that he did, so as particularly to swear it:
358But there he came into my Company sometimes at
359Tixhall ; but I cannot tell the particular Days:
360Nor could I speak positively to those things that I
361have spoke to now, but that I find in my Note-Book,
362that at that time he did come to my House
363at Standen , and did go with me to St. Albans .

364Mr. At. Gen.     Pray, my Lord, did he go that
365Journey to Tixhall along with you?

366Lord Aston.     I cannot say positively that, Mr.
367Attorney ; but I have a general Notion that he did.
368Nor could I testify this so positively, I say, but
369by Notes that I have of things at that time: Where
370I have only writ down these things concerning Mr.
371Ireland , that he came the 3d of August to my
372House at Standen : That on Monday we went together
373to St. Albans ; and there met us Sir John
374Southcoat , and my Sister his Wife; and thence I
375went to Tixhall ; and there I arriv'd the 8th of
376August , which was Thursday .

377L. C. J.     My Lord, I ask you this Question;
378you say, you have a general Apprehension, that
379he did go with you to Tixhall : Pray, did he come
380with you to Standen for that purpose, to go with
381you to Tixhall ?

382Lord Aston.     I had no business with him at all;
383but he desired the opportunity to go down in my
384Company into Staffordshire .

385L. C. J.     Pray, my Lord, do you remember
386you saw him within four or five Days after at
387Tixhall ?

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388Lord Aston.     To name particular Days, I cannot;
389but that I saw him several Days at Tixhall , I am
390sure.

391Oates.     My Lord, you say that Sir John Southcoat
392went with you to Tixhall .

393Lord Aston.     Yes, he did so.

394Oates.     My Lord, I would ask this Nobleman,
395whether he was at the Trial of the five Jesuits?
396or the Trial of Ireland ?

397Lord Aston.     No, my Lord, I was not.

398Oates.     Then I would ask my Lord, if he saw Mr.
399Ireland executed?

400Lord Aston.     No, I did not.

401Oates.     Then I would ask him this Question;
402whether the Ireland that was executed be the same
403Ireland he speaks of?

404Lord Aston.     Amongst those that knew him well,
405I have been told it was the same.

406Oates.     That is but Hear-say, my Lord; he does
407not speak of his own Knowledge.

408L. C. J.     For that matter, I suppose, you'll produce
409some other Ireland , Mr. Oates , if it was not
410the same.

411Mr. At. Gen.     Was it this Mrs. Ireland's Brother,
412that was here a Witness now?

413Lord Aston.     He was so reputed, and so looked
414upon.

415L. C. J.     That is all one. If any body should
416ask me, if you were the same Mr. Oates that was at
417St. Omers ; I should say, I heard so; and it would
418be very good Evidence, unless some one else were
419produc'd.

420Oates.     My Lord, I submit; I will be directed by
421the Court in any thing that is fair, and not injurious
422to my Defence.

423L. C. J.     We will not direct you in any thing
424that's foul, but pray keep to those Questions that
425are pertinent.

426Oates.     Are you sure Ireland went the whole Journey
427with you, my Lord?

428Lord Aston.     I did answer that; I have but a
429general Notion of it, he came to me for that purpose.

430Oates.     Then my Lord is not positive he went
431with him into Staffordshire .

432L. C. J.     No he is not; but I would ask you
433this Question. My Lord Aston , do you believe he
434went with you to Tixhall ?

435Lord Aston.     I make no doubt about it, I would
436pawn all I have in the World upon it; only I cannot
437swear it, because I have it not in my Notes, as
438I have those two other Days.

439Mr. Just. Withins.     Do you like him the worse,
440because he is cautious, Mr. Oates ?

441Oates.     No, Sir, I do not. But pray, my Lord,
442ask him, because it is a Question here about a
443point of Time; whether he remembers, that within
444eight or ten Days, he saw Ireland at Tixhall ?

445Lord Aston.     I cannot say any thing as to that.

446Mr. At. Gen.     Swear Sir Edward Southcoat .

447    Which was done.

448L. C. J.     I thought you had called him Sir John
449Southcoat .

450Mr. At. Gen.     Sir John is sick, and cannot be
451here.

452Oates.     I suppose my Lord Aston is a Roman
453Catholick?

454L. C. J.     Ay, that all the World knows very
455well; but I tell you what, Mr. Oates , I observe,
456he is not so easy in giving his Oath; nay, he is
457wonderful cautious in swearing: I speak it for his
458Commendation, not as his Fault, he is not very
459forward at swearing.

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460L. C. J.     You say, you did write to him upon
461the 2d of September ?

462Mrs. Harwell.     Yes, I did so.

463L. C. J.     What was the occasion of your writing
464to him at that time?

465Mrs. Harwell.     One Madame Dormer was then
466in those Parts, and he being gone a visiting his
467Friends at Black-Ladies , I writ to him, and desired
468him to give her a Visit, for I knew she would
469be glad to see him.

470L. C. J.     He came back to you the 4th of September ,
471you say?

472Mrs. Harwell.     Yes, he did so, my Lord.

473L. C. J.     Did he own upon the fourth of September ,
474that he had received your Letter?

475Mrs. Harwell.     He said he had been at the
476Place, My Lord, but I know not whether he had
477received my Letter or no; but I am sure he
478waited upon my Lady, for she told me so
479afterwards.

480Oates.     I desire to know, whether this Gentlewoman
481was at Ireland's Trial?

482Mrs. Harwell.     No, my Lord; but I heard that
483upon the 17th of December following, Mr. Ireland
484was tried at the Old-Bailey for High-Treason.
485Upon the 19th, I was informed by the Post what
486was sworn against him; and particularly as to
487this time, which I knew to be false: And upon
488my own Cost and Charges I sent an Express away
489to Town here to a Friend that I knew, upon
490reading the Letter that was written to me, that
491Mr. Ireland was falsely accused; and by that Express
492also I sent a Petition, humbly beseeching his
493late Majesty, that we might bring in Witnesses
494to prove, that Mr. Ireland was in Staffordshire ,
495when Mr. Oates swore he was in Town; and upon
496that the King staid the Execution about five
497Weeks. We did hope for a second Trial, but
498we could not obtain it; and he was executed. I
499did it at my own Cost and Charges: For I
500thought it my Duty, if I could, to save his Life.
501knowing that to be false which was sworn against
502him.

503L. C. J.     She speaks gravely and soberly, upon
504my Word.

505Mr. Just. Withins.     So she does indeed.

506Mr. At. Gen.     We have abundance of them, my
507Lord. Swear Mr. William Rushton .

508    Which was done.

509Mr. Sol. Gen.     Tell my Lord what you know of

510Mr. Ireland's     being at Mrs. Harwell's in August
5111678, at Wolverhampton .

512Mr. Rushton.     My Lord, in the Month of August
5131678, I did see Mr. William Ireland at Wolverhampton
514in the County of Stafford ; and it was
515upon the 18th of August , and I saw him there,
516from the 18th to the 25th, every one of the days
517but one, and that I cannot be positive in. He
518went that day to Litchfield , which was upon the
51923d, as I take it, but I cannot be positive; but
520all the rest of the days I did see him there once, if
521not twice or thrice a day.

522Mr. At. Gen.     Where did he lodge then?

523Mr. Rushton.     At Mr. Jyfford's , or Mrs.
524Harwell's .

525Oates.     Were you at any of the Trials of Ireland ,
526or the five Jesuits, Sir?

527Mr. Rushton.     No, I was never at one till now.

528Oates.     Pray, my Lord, what Religion is this
529Gentleman of, I desire to know?

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530Mr. Rushton.     Not of your Worship's Religion,
531Dr. Oates .

532L. C. J.     But answer this Question.

533Mr. Rushton.     I am a Catholick.

534Oates.     A Roman Catholick he means, I
535suppose.

536Mr. Rushton.     Yes; I am a Roman Catholick,
537and a loyal Subject.

538Mr. Sol. Gen.     Swear Mrs. Katherine Winford .

539    Which was done.

540Mr. At. Gen.     Mrs. Winford , pray did you see

541Mr. Ireland     at Mrs. Harwell's , in the Year 1678?

542Mrs. Winford.     Yes, I did, Sir.

543Mr. At. Gen.     Pray tell the Court what you do
544know of that matter.

545Mrs. Winford.     I did hear at Wolverhampton , that

546Mr. Ireland     came to Town the 17th of August , and
547I did see him there the 18th, and I did see him
548there the 19th, and I did see him the 20th;
549and I saw him there upon the 22d, 23d, 24th,
550and 25th, and that was the last time I saw him
551there.

552L. C. J.     At Mrs. Harwell's was it that you saw
553him?

554Mrs. Winford.     Sometimes at Mrs. Harwell's , and
555sometimes at my Father's House, who lived in
556that Town.

557Oates.     My Lord, I desire to know how she
558comes to remember those Days so particularly?

559Mrs. Winford.     I remember them, because St.
560Bartholomew's Day was the 24th of August , and
561that was the Saturday after he came to Town;
562and the first day I saw him was the Sunday before,
563and so I reckon it to be on those days I saw
564him.

565L. C. J.     Have you any other Questions to ask
566her, Mr. Oates ?

567Oates.     No, my Lord, I have not: She was a
568Witness before at Whitebread's Trial, and was not
569believed there.

570L. C. J.     Well, make your Remarks by and by,
571and let them now go on with their Evidence.

572Mr. Sol. Gen.     Then swear Mr. William Stanley .

573    Which was done.

574Mr. At. Gen.     Pray, did you see Mr. Ireland at
575Wolverhampton , and when?

576Mr. Stanley.     Upon the 18th of August 78. It
577was Sunday , I saw Mr. Ireland in Wolverhampton
578in the Morning, and in the Afternoon he was in
579my own House. Upon Monday the 19th I saw
580him twice that day at my own House; I positively
581speak that, and I verily believe I did see him
582on Tuesday the 20th, and Wednesday the 21st; but
583Thursday and Friday I cannot say I did see him
584those two Days: For he went upon one of them
585to Litchfield . But upon Saturday and Sunday I
586am sure I saw him, and two or three times some
587days.

588Oates.     Pray, Mr. Stanley , did you know him
589before?

590Mr. Stanley.     No, I did not, Sir.

591Oates.     Was you at his Trial?

592Mr. Stanley.     No, I was not.

593Oates.     Were you at the five Jesuits Trial?

594Mr. Stanley.     No, I was not in London since, till
595the last Term.

596Oates.     What Religion are you of, Sir?

597Mr. Stanley.     What Religion are you of, Mr.
598Oates ?

599L. C. J.     Nay, do not ask Questions, but answer
600the Questions he asks.

601Mr. Stanley.     I am a Roman Catholick.

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602Mr. At. Gen.     Mr. Stanley , pray can you recollect
603any Circumstance how you came to remember that
604it was such and such Days that you saw him?

605Mr. Stanley.     Yes, my Lord, I can.

606L. C. J.     What are they, tell them us?

607Mr. Stanley.     I buried a Child that Morning, being
608Sunday the 18th of August , and he came to
609my House in the Afternoon, and I entertained him
610with those things that I had provided for to entertain
611my Friends at the Funeral. On Monday was
612a Wake, and the young People went all to the
613Wake, and left Madam Harwell alone; and so she
614came with him to my House, and I entertained him
615with the same kind of Entertainment that I did the
616Day before.

617L. C. J.     That is a remarkable Circumstance
618indeed.

619Mr. At. Gen.     Swear Mrs. Dorothy Purcell .
620Which was done.
621What say you Mrs. Purcell , when did you see Mr.
622Ireland at Wolverhampton ?

623Mrs. Purcell.     I saw him the 18th, 19th, 20th,
62421st, 22d, and 23d Days of August , 1678.

625Mr. At. Gen.     Where did you see him?

626Mrs. Purcell.     At a Friend's House in
627Wolverhampton .

628L. C. J.     How come you to remember those Days
629of the Month?

630Mr. Purcell.     I remember them by particular
631Circumstances.

632L. C. J.     What are those particular Circumstances?
633Let us hear them, how come you to name those
634very Days, the 18th, 19th, and so on?

635Mrs. Purcell.     I can remember it as well as any
636thing in the World.

637Oates.     I desire, my Lord, that she may tell how
638she does remember it.

639Mrs. Purcell.     That's enough, and as much as need
640to be said, I remember very well.

641Oates.     But I desire to know you come to remember
642it?

643Mrs. Purcell.     I remember it, I tell you, very
644well; and I do affirm I saw him there.

645Oates.     But you do not tell what Circumstances
646you remember it by.

647Mrs. Purcell.     No, there is no need of it, I am
648sure I saw him there then.

649Mr. At. Gen.     Tell him some Circumstances.

650Mrs. Purcell.     Those were the Days before Bartholomew
651Eve.

652Oates.     My Lord, is this any thing of Evidence?

653L. C. J.     The Jury hears it, and they will consider
654of it.

655Oates.     What Religion are you of, Mistress?

656Mrs. Purcell.     Must I tell what Religion I am of?

657L. C. J.     Yes, answer his Question.

658Oates.     I dare say, she is a Papist; she need not
659trouble her head to answer it.

660Mr. At. Gen.     Swear Mr. Scott .
661Which was done.
662Were you at Wolverhampton when Mr. Ireland was
663there?

664Scott.     Yes, I was.

665Mr. At. Gen.     Did you do any service for him
666there?

667Scott.     I look'd to his Horse.

668Mr. At. Gen.     When did he come thither, do you
669remember?

670Scott.     I cannot tell just the time that he came in.

671Mr. At. Gen.     What Day of the Week was it that
672he came thither?

673Scott.     It was of a Saturday .

674Mr. At. Gen.     What Month was it?

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675Scott.     I cannot tell very well what Month it was;
676it was in August I think.

677Mr. At. Gen.     How long did he continue there?

678Scott.     The space of a Fortnight off and on.

679Oates.     Is that Evidence, my Lord, that he has
680delivered?

681L. C. J.     It is but very small Evidence. It is only
682circumstantial to confirm the other Testimony.

683Mr. At. Gen.     How long was it before Ireland
684was tried and executed, can you tell that?

685Scott.     No, I know nothing of it.

686Mr. At. Gen.     Then swear Mr. John Stamford .

687    Which was done.

688Mr. Sol. Gen.     Did you see Mr. Ireland at Wolverhampton ,
689and when was it, I pray you?

690Mr. Stamford.     My Lord, in the Year 1675, I
691was sent beyond Sea to St. Omers , to fetch over two
692young Gentlemen that were Students there; and
693there I became acquainted with Mr. Ireland , who
694was then Procurator of the Jesuits at St. Omers .
695And in August 78, I did see him in Wolverhampton ,
696upon the Sunday after the Assumption of our Lady;
697which was the 15th of August , he came to see me,
698and I saw him there that Day.

699L. C. J.     What Day of the Month is the Assumption
700of our Lady?

701Mr. Stamford.     That is always the 15th of August ,
702my Lord.

703Mr. At. Gen.     How often did you see him there?

704Mr. Stamford.     I saw him Sunday and Monday ,
705and till that seven-night; I saw him every Day in
706that Week but one, when he went to Litchfield .

707Oates.     My Lord, I desire to know how he comes
708to remember that it was at that time?

709L. C. J.     He tells you a Reason for it, because it
710fell out to be upon the Sunday after the Assumption
711of our Lady, which is always the 15th of August .

712Oates.     My Lord, he says he came acquainted
713with Mr. Ireland at St. Omers .

714L. C. J.     Yes, he says, that was in the Year
7151675.

716Oates.     I desire to know, my Lord, what business
717he had there?

718L. C. J.     He tells you, he went to fetch over two
719young Men that were Students there.

720Oates.     Pray, my Lord, I desire to know what
721Religion he is of.

722L. C. J.     What Religion are you of?

723Mr. Stamford.     I am a Roman Catholick.

724Oates.     I desire to know what is his Profession?

725Mr. Stamford.     I am a younger Brother of a good
726and loyal Family as any of the County on Stafford ,
727and that suffered as much as any for the late King.

728Oates.     I believe if it were look'd into, he is somewhat
729else besides a younger Brother.

730Mr. At. Gen.     Yes, he says he is of a loyal
731Family.

732L. C. J.     I am sure there is such a Family in that
733County that were great Sufferers for King Charles I.
734and the late King; and were very instrumental in
735Services for the late King, at his Escape from Worcester :
736but whether he be of that Family or no, I
737cannot tell.

738Mr. Stamford.     The Doctor thinks I am a Jesuit,
739but I'll assure him I have a Wife and Children.

740Mr. At. Gen.     Mr. Oates was about to have made
741him a Priest, but it seems he hath a Wife and Children,
742and so is out of danger.

743Mr. Sol. Gen.     Pray, swear Mrs. Katherine Fowler .

744    Which was done.

745Mr. At. Gen.     Did you see Mr. Ireland , Mrs.
746Fowler , at Wolverhampton in 1678?

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747Mrs. Fowler.     Yes, I did.

748Mr. At. Gen.     When was it?

749Mrs. Fowler.     I did see him on Saturday the 17th
750of August at Wolverhampton ; he came that day to
751my Mother's House, where I was.

752Mr. At. Gen.     How long did he stay there?

753Mrs. Fowler.     Till the 27th, which was Monday
754was Seven-night after: I was in his Company
755every day in that time unless it were Friday , which
756day they say he went to Litchfield to the Fair.

757L. C. J.     Is Mrs. Harwell your Mother?

758Mrs. Fowler.     Yes, my Lord, she is, and I lived
759at that time with my Mother.

760L. C. J.     How do you remember this? Have you
761any Tokens that you can give us, why you remember
762it was then?

763Mrs. Fowler.     My Lord, I recollected my self
764after Mr. Ireland's Trial, in which Mr. Oates
765swore that he was here in Town between the 8th
766and 12th of August , that that was the very Month that
767Mr. Ireland was in Wolverhampton , and thereupon
768I concluded that Mr. Oates had not sworn true by
769that Recollection when it was fresh in my Memory,
770being within half a Year after.

771Oates.     Madam, are you Mrs. Harwell's
772Daughter?

773Mrs. Fowler.     Yes, I am so, Sir.

774Oates.     Did you not know one Mr. Jennison ?

775Mrs. Fowler.     Which Jennison ?

776Oates.     Mr. Robert Jennison .

777Mrs. Fowler.     Yes, I do know him.

778Oates.     Are you not a-kin to him?

779Mrs. Fowler.     Yes, but I am sorry to own I have
780such a Relation.

781Mr. At. Gen.     Swear Mr. Gifford .

782    Which was done.

783Mr. Sol. Gen.     Did you see Mr. Ireland in Staffordshire ,
784and when I pray you?

785Mr. Gifford.     I saw him there at Wolverhampton
786the 17th of August 1678, and he continued there
787till the 26th; I saw him there every day.

788Oates.     Pray, my Lord, be pleased to ask this
789Gentleman, whether he were at the Trial of
790Ireland ?

791Mr. Gifford.     No, I was not in Court, nor examined
792as a Witness.

793Oates.     Were you at the Trial of the five Jesuits,
794Sir?

795Mr. Gifford.     I was there, but was not examined.

796L. C. J.     Was it every day, say you, that you
797saw him at Wolverhampton ?

798Mr. Gifford.     Every day.

799L. C. J.     They say, he was one day out of Town
800at Litchfield .

801Mr. Gifford.     He was out of Town that day, but
802I saw him.

803Mr. At. Gen.     Swear Mrs. Elizabeth Gifford .

804    Which was done.

805Mr. Sol. Gen.     You hear the Question, did you
806see Mr. Ireland in Staffordshire in 78, and when?

807Mrs. E. Gifford.     Mr. Ireland came to Wolverhampton
808the 17th of August , and continued there
809till the 26th.

810Mr. At. Gen.     How do you remember it?

811Mrs. Gifford.     By a Wake that was just hard by,
812that was at that time: and he came to my Uncle's
813House upon the Sunday following the Assumption of
814our Lady .

815Mr. At. Gen.     Did you see him every day till the
81626th?

817Mrs. Gifford.     I remember I did see him every
818day but two days that I was abroad at the Wake.

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819Oates.     My Lord, I desire to know, whether she
820was examined at any of the former Trials?

821Mrs. Gifford.     Yes, at the five Jesuits Trial, I
822was.

823Oates.     Were you not at Ireland's Trial?

824Mrs. Gifford.     No, I was not.

825Oates.     There was one Gifford examined there.

826Mr. At. Gen.     Swear Mrs. Elizabeth Keeling .

827    Which was done.

828Mr. Sol. Gen.     Did you see Mr. Ireland at Wolverhampton ,
829and when?

830Keeling.     Yes, my Lord, I did see Mr. Ireland at
831Wolverhampton .

832Mr. Sol. Gen.     Pray tell when it was.

833Keeling.     It was the 17th of August he came to
834my Mistress's House.

835Mr. Sol. Gen.     What August ?

836Keeling.     August before the Plot.

837L. C. J.     Who was your Mistress?

838Keeling.     Mrs. Harwell , my Lord.

839Mr. Sol. Gen.     How long did he continue there?

840Keeling.     He came on the Saturday , and I saw
841him there till the Monday . When I was sent for
842to my Mother's Burying, I left him and Madam
843Dormer at Dinner, and came back on the Thursday .
844And in his Chamber I heard him discourse, but I did
845not see him. Upon the Friday he went abroad,
846and returned again that Night. Upon the Saturday
847I saw him, and he continued there till Monday
848Morning, and then he went away, and returned on
849Wednesday the 4th of September , and staid till Saturday
850the 7th; and then went away from
851Wolverhampton .

852Oates.     I desire to know what Religion this Woman
853is of?

854Keeling.     I am a Roman Catholick, God be
855thanked.

856Mr. At. Gen.     Mrs. Keeling , when did Mr. Ireland
857return again, do you say, after he went first to
858Wolverhampton ?

859Keeling.     It was the Wednesday seven-night after,
860Sir.

861Mr. At. Gen.     That was the 4th of September .

862L. C. J.     How long staid he there then?

863Keeling.     Till Saturday in the Forenoon.

864Mr. At. Gen.     Whither did he say he was going
865then?

866Keeling.     He said he went to Bellamour to Dinner.

867L. C. J.     Did you see him at any time after?

868Keeling.     No, my Lord, I saw him no more.

869Mr. At. Gen.     Then swear Mr. Richardson .

870    Which was done.

871Mr. Sol. Gen.     Pray, Sir, will you give an account
872when you saw Mr. Ireland , and where, in
873the Year 78?

874Mr. Richardson.     My Lord, I saw a Gentleman
875that I was informed was Mr. Ireland , at Wolverhampton ,
876at a Wake; which was Monday the 19th
877of August .

878Mr. At. Gen.     Where did he lodge?

879Mr. Richardson.     At Mrs. Harwell's .

880Mr. At. Gen.     What are you, a Tradesman?

881Mr. Richardson.     Yes, an Apothecary in
882Wolverhampton .

883L. C. J.     How many Days did you see him at
884Wolverhampton ?

885Mr. Richardson.     I saw him only one Day in the
886Market-place.

887L. C. J.     You did not know Mr. Ireland before?

888Mr. Richardson.     But I was informed that was he.

889L. C. J.     What became of that Ireland that you
890were informed was at Wolverhampton then?

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891Mr. Richardson.     I heard presently after that, upon
892Mr. Oates's Plot, he was secured and executed.

893Mr. At. Gen.     What Religion are you of, pray,
894Sir?

895Mr. Richardson.     I am of the Church of England .

896Oates.     Pray, Sir, I would ask you this Question.

897Mr. Richardson.     As many Questions as you
898please, Mr. Oates .

899Oates.     Who told you it was Mr. Ireland .

900Mr. Richardson.     Mrs. Harwell .

901Oates.     When was it she told you it was Ireland ?

902Mr. Richardson.     To the best of my remembrance,
903it was before he was apprehended as a
904Traitor.

905Oates.     He is uncertain when he was told so.

906L. C. J.     Well, make what advantage you can
907of it by and by.

908Mr. At. Gen.     Swear Mrs. Eleanor Graves .

909    Which was done.

910Mr. Sol. Gen.     Pray, Mistress, did you see Mr.
911Ireland at Wolverhampton at any time?

912Mrs. Graves.     Yes, I did, my Lord.

913Mr. Sol. Gen.     When was it?

914Mrs. Graves.     The first time was six Years ago in
915August , it is now going on seven Years since.

916Mr. At. Gen.     What time in August was it?

917Mrs. Graves.     The first Day was the 20th or
91821st, I am sure I saw him upon the 22d; for I
919dined with him, and was with him all the Afternoon,
920and supp'd with him. Upon the 23d we
921went to Litchfield together, which was Bartholomew
922Eve. And I saw him the 25th, which was Sunday
923after.

924L. C. J.     Are you sure it is the Ireland we are
925now speaking of?

926Mrs. Graves.     They said it was the same Mr. Ireland
927that was executed. They call'd him so.

928L. C. J.     Nay, there is no great doubt, but only
929for Mr. Oates's Satisfaction.

930Mr. At. Gen.     At whose House did he lie at
931Wolverhampton ?

932Mrs. Graves.     At Mrs. Harwell's .

933Mr. At. Gen.     Where was it you supp'd with
934him, I pray you?

935Mrs. Graves.     He dined and supp'd at a Relation's
936House of mine.

937L. C. J.     Who was that? name him.

938Mrs. Graves.     It was at my Uncle Winford's .

939L. C. J.     Did you go along with him to Litchfield ,
940do you say, on the 23d?

941Mrs. Graves.     Yes, and so did my Uncle; and at
942Night we came back together.

943Mr. Sol. Gen.     What Religion are you of, Mistress?

944Mrs. Graves.     I am of the Church of England .

945Oates.     My Lord, I desire to ask her, how did
946she know it was the same Ireland that was try'd?

947Mrs. Graves.     It was the same Ireland that they
948said was afterwards executed. I know no more.

949Mr. Sol. Gen.     Did you go back with him to Mrs.
950Harwell's from Litchfield ?

951Mrs. Graves.     I did, to my Uncle Winford's
952House.

953Mr. At. Gen.     Now we come, my Lord, to another
954Period of Time, which is from the 26th of
955August to the 29th; and for that, we first call Sir
956Thomas Whitegrave , who is a Justice of the Peace,
957and a worthy Gentleman; a Member of the
958Church of England in that County. Swear him.

959    Which was done.

960Mr. Sol. Gen.     Pray, Sir Thomas , will you be
961pleas'd to give the Court an account, whether you
962saw Mr. Ireland in Staffordshire 1678, and what
963time it was?

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964Sir Thomas Whitegrave.     I saw Mr. Ireland upon
965the 29th of August before the Popish Plot; it was
966upon a Thursday in the Afternoon upon Tixhall
967Bowling-green; and I discoursed with him: he
968told me he was to go home that Night with Sir
969James Simmons , and Mr. Heveningham . They told
970me afterwards he went on Saturday to Hildersham ,
971and went thence on Monday following towards Boscabel :
972some time after that, a Rumour came down
973that Mr. Ireland was accused with others, of being
974in a Plot of the Papists; and myself, and some others
975that were in Commission for the Peace in that
976County, did reflect upon the time that Ireland was
977in the Country; and we were a little disturbed,
978because he had been at particular Places among our
979Neighbours, whom we knew to be Catholicks.

980Mr. At. Gen.     Can you remember no Day but
981that one, Sir Thomas ?

982Sir Thomas Whitegrave.     Only the 29th I saw him
983there, and discours'd with him; and afterwards
984there was word sent to me, to desire me that I
985would come up to London at his Trial.

986L. C. J.     And did you come up, Sir Thomas ?

987Sir Thomas Whitegrave.     No, I did not; I had no
988Subpoena ; and being a Justice of the Peace, I did
989not think fit to leave the Country at that time without
990a Subpoena .

991Oates.     My Lord, I desire to know of this Gentleman,
992how long he had been acquainted with Mr.
993Ireland .

994Sir Thomas Whitegrave.     I never saw him before,
995nor since.

996L. C. J.     He goes no further than the 29th.

997Mr. At. Gen.     No, my Lord, he does not. Then
998swear Mr. William Fowler .

999    Which was done.

1000Mr. Sol. Gen.     Pray, will you give an account
1001when you saw Mr. Ireland , and where?

1002Mr. Fowler.     I saw Mr. Ireland upon the 27th of
1003August 78, in Staffordshire , at a Horse-Race at
1004Etching-hill . The Race was run between Sir Henry
1005Gough , and Captain Chetwind .

1006Mr. Sol. Gen.     Did you see him any other Day in
1007that Month?

1008Mr. Fowler.     Yes, the 19th of August I saw him
1009at Tixhall Bowling-green.

1010Mr. Sol. Gen.     When else did you see him?

1011Mr. Fowler.     I saw him the 10th of August before.

1012Mr. Sol. Gen.     Where, at Tixhall , at my Lord
1013Aston's House.

1014Mr. At. Gen.     Do you remember Sir Thomas
1015Whitegrave was upon the Bowling-green the 27th of
1016August ?

1017Mr. Fowler.     Yes, he was, and did discourse with
1018Mr. Ireland there.

1019L. C. J.     What became of Mr. Ireland
1020afterwards?

1021Mr. Fowler.     He went about the Country for some
1022time, my Lord.

1023L. C. J.     Was it the same Ireland that was
1024executed?

1025Mr. Fowler.     Yes, it was the same.

1026L. C. J.     You say you saw him the 29th at Tixhall
1027Bowling-green.

1028Mr. Fowler.     Yes, I did so.

1029L. C. J.     When you heard he was taken up for
1030the Plot, what did they say whither he at that
1031time?

1032Mr. Fowler.     I think he went to Mr. Heveningham's ,
1033or thereabouts.

1034Oates.     I would fain know this Gentleman's
1035Religion.

1036Mr. Fowler.     I am a Roman Catholick.