1L. C. J.     Thou had'st need to know it very well,
2for it seems thou wentest without a Candle or any
3thing in the World, and put in thy Horse. Did'st
4thou see that Man Carpenter the Bailiff that thou
5spokest of?

6Dunne.     Mr. Carpenter gave my Horse Hay.

7L. C. J.     Was there any Light in the Stable?

8Dunne.     Not when I put in my Horse first.

9L. C. J.     Who brought the Light thither?

10Dunne.     Goodman Carpenter .

11L. C. J.     Did not he give thy Horse Hay?

12Dunne.     Yes, he did.

13L. C. J.     And did he not give him Oats too?

14Dunne.     No, my Lord, he did not.

15L. C. J.     Did not he conduct you into the
16House?

17Dunne.     Who, my Lord?

18L. C. J.     That same Goodman Carpenter .

19Dunne.     No, my Lord.

20L. C. J.     Did you see any body else but that Girl
21you speak of?

22Dunne.     My Lord, I did see the Girl there.

23L. C. J.     But you Blockhead, I ask you whether
24you did see any body else?

25Dunne.     I do not know but I might see Goodman
26Carpenter.

27L. C. J.     Why, thou said'st he brought the Light,
28and gave thy Horse Hay; but I see thou art set
29upon nothing but Prevarication: Sirrah, tell me
30plainly, did you see no body else?

31Dunne.     No, my Lord.

32L. C. J.     Not any body?

33Dunne.     No, my Lord, not any one.

34L. C. J.     Did you not drink in the House?

35Dunne.     No, my Lord, not a Drop.

36L. C. J.     Did not you call for Drink?

37Dunne.     No, my Lord, I did not, I had nothing
38but my Cake and Cheese that I brought thither my
39self.

40L. C. J.     Who went up to the Chamber with
41you?

42Dunne.     The Girl, my Lord.

43L. C. J.     And no body else?

44Dunne.     No, my Lord.

45L. C. J.     Was the Bed made?

46Dunne.     Yes, my Lord, it was.

47L. C. J.     You eat nothing in the House, you
48say?

49Dunne.     Nothing but my own Cake and Cheese,
50my Lord.

51L. C. J.     But you did not drink in the House at
52all?

53Dunne.     No, my Lord, I did not.

54L. C. J.     Did you drink at Marton , where you did
55call upon Fane .

56Dunne.     Yes, I did, but not afterwards.

57L. C. J.     Did you see any body there the next
58Morning before they were taken?

59Dunne.     No, my Lord; but after the House was
60beset, I saw my Lady and Mr. Hicks , and I think
61I saw Goodman Carpenter .

62L. C. J.     They and you were taken there together,
63were not you?

64Dunne.     Yes.

65L. C. J.     Did you see Carpenter's Wife, upon
66your Oath, that Night?

67Dunne.     My Lord, I did not.

68L. C. J.     Nor no Woman-kind besides the Girl
69you speak of?

70Dunne.     No, my Lord.

71L. C. J.     Nor no Man besides Carpenter ?

72Dunne.     No, my Lord.

73L. C. J.     You are sure of this?

74Dunne.     I am so, my Lord.

75L. C. J.     You are sure you did not drink there?

76Dunne.     I am, my Lord.

77L. C. J.     And you say he brought the Light into
78the Stable, and gave your Horse Hay?

79Dunne.     He did, my Lord.

80L. C. J.     Now prithee tell me truly, where came
81Carpenter unto you? I must know the Truth of
82that; remember that I gave you fair Warning, do
83not tell me a Lye, for I will be sure to treasure up
84every Lye that thou tellest me, and thou may'st be
85certain it will not be for thy Advantage: I would
86not terrify thee to make thee say any thing but
87the Truth: but assure thy self I never met with a
88lying, sneaking, canting Fellow, but I always treasur'd
89up Vengeance for him: and therefore look to
90it, that thou dost not prevaricate with me, for to
91be sure thou wilt come to the worst of it in the end?

92Dunne.     My Lord, I will tell the Truth as near as
93I can.

94L. C. J.     Then tell me where Carpenter met thee?

95Dunne.     In the Court, my Lord.

96L. C. J.     Before you came to the Gate, or after?

97Dunne.     It was after we came to the Gate, in the
98Court.

99L. C. J.     Then tell me, and I charge you tell me
100true, who was with you when Carpenter met you?

101Dunne.     Hicks and Nelthorp .

102L. C. J.     Was there any body else besides them
103two in the Court?

104Dunne.     There was no body but Hicks and Nelthorp ,
105and I and Mr. Carpenter .

106L. C. J.     You are sure of that?

107Dunne.     Yes, my Lord.

108L. C. J.     Consider of it, are you sure there was
109no body else?

110Dunne.     Truly, my Lord, I did not mind that
111there was any body else.

112L. C. J.     Recollect your self, and consider well of
113it.

114Dunne.     Truly, my Lord, I do not know of any
115body else.

116L. C. J.     Now upon your Oath tell me truly,
117who it was that opened the Stable-door, was it
118Carpenter or you?

119Dunne.     It was Carpenter , my Lord.

120L. C. J.     Why, thou vile Wretch didst not thou
121tell me just now that thou pluck'd up the Latch?
122Dost thou take the God of Heaven not to be a
123God of Truth, and that he is not a Witness of all
124thou say'st? Dost thou think because thou prevaricatest
125with the Court here, thou can'st do so with
126God above, who knows thy Thoughts, and it is infinite
127Mercy, that for those Falshoods of thine, he
128does not immediately strike thee into Hell? Jesus
129God! there is no sort of Conversation nor human
130Society to be kept with such People as these are,
131who have no other Religion but only in Pretence,
132and no way to uphold themselves but by countenancing
133Lying and Villany: Did not you tell me that
134you opened the Latch your self, and that you saw no
135body else but a Girl? How durst you offer to tell
136such horrid Lyes in the presence of God and of a
137Court of Justice? Answer me one Question more:
138Did he pull down the Hay or you?

139Dunne.     I did not pull down any Hay at all.

140L. C. J.     Was there any Hay pull'd down before
141the Candle was brought?

142Dunne.     No, there was not.

143L. C. J.     Who brought the Candle?

144Dunne.     Mr. Carpenter brought the Candle and
145Lanthorn.

146L. C. J.     It seems the Saints have a certain Charter
147for Lying; they may lye and cant, and deceive,
148and rebel, and think God Almighty takes no notice
149of it, nor will reckon with them for it: You see,
150Gentlemen, what a precious Fellow this is, a very
151pretty Tool to be employ'd upon such an Errand,
152a Knave that no body would trust for half a Crown
153between Man and Man, but he is the fitter to be
154employ'd about such Works; what Pains is a Man
155at to get the Truth out of these Fellows, and it is
156with a great deal of Labour, that we can squeeze
157one Drop out of them? A Turk has more Title to
158an Eternity of Bliss than these Pretenders to Christianity,
159for he has more Morality and Honesty in
160him. Sirrah, I charge you in the presence of God,
161tell me true, What other Persons did you see that
162Night?

163Dunne.     My Lord, I did not see any than what I
164have told you already.

165L. C. J.     Then they went out and brought word
166that thou wert come, and so he came out to meet
167thee. Very well: I would have every body that has
168but the least Tang of Saintship to observe the Carriage
169of this Fellow, and see how they can cant and
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171the Good Old Cause: They will stick at nothing, if
172they think they can but preserve a Brother or Sister
173Saint forsooth; they can do any thing in the world
174but speak Truth, and do their Duty to God and
175their Governours: I ask you again, Did not Carpenter
176meet you before you left Hicks and Nelthorp ?

177Dunne.     No, he did not.

178L. C. J.     Then I ask you again once more, did
179not Carpenter ask you to drink?

180Dunne.     No, he did not.

181L. C. J.     Did not he light you with a Lanthorn
182and Candle into the House?

183Dunne.     I went into the House.

184L. C. J.     Dost thou believe we think any body
185thrust thee in: Did he light thee in, I ask thee?

186Dunne.     I went in along with Mr. Carpenter .

187L. C. J.     What Room did he carry you into?

188Dunne.     My Lord, he carried me into no Room,
189the young Woman shew'd me into a Room.

190L. C. J.     What Room was it?

191Dunne.     Into the Chamber.

192L. C. J.     Was not thou in the Hall or Kitchen?

193Dunne.     No, my Lord.

194L. C. J.     It is hard thou hadst not one Cup of
195Drink to thy Cake and Cheese.

196Dunne.     My Lord, I had never a Drop.

197L. C. J.     No, nor did no body ask you to eat or
198drink?

199Dunne.     No, my Lord.

200L. C. J.     Thou art the best-natur'd Fellow that
201ever I met with, but the worst rewarded. Come,
202I will ask thee another Question: When was the first
203time thou heard'st Nelthorp's Name?

204Dunne.     Not till he was taken.

205L. C. J.     What Name did the Fellow with the
206black Beard tell thee he had?

207Dunne.     My Lord, he never told me any Name?

208L. C. J.     Didst thou never ask him his Name?
209Dunne, No, my Lord, that Man that was afterwards
210found to be Nelthorp , I did not know to be
211Nelthorp till he was taken, nor what his Name was,
212nor any Name he had.

213L. C. J.     No, prithee tell the Truth, did not Nelthorp
214go by the Name of Crofts ?

215Dunne.     He did, my Lord.

216L. C. J.     Then prithee, when did he first go by
217that Name in thy Hearing?

218Dunne.     My Lord, I only heard Hicks say he went
219by the Name of Crofts .

220L. C. J.     When was that?

221Dunne.     When they were taken.

222L. C. J.     Did you not hear him call'd by that
223Name any time of the Journey?

224Dunne.     I cannot recollect, my Lord, that I ever did.

225L. C. J.     Thou canst recollect nothing of Truth:
226Is this as much as you can say?

227Dunne.     It is, my Lord.

228Mr. Jennings.     You say Carpenter met you very
229civilly, and took care of your Horse: Did he
230make no Provision for Hicks and Nelthorp's Horses?
231What became of them?

232Dunne.     I cannot tell, my Lord.

233Mr. Rumsey.     Did you see their Horses afterwards?

234Dunne.     No, my Lord, I did not.

235Mr. Rumsey.     When they alighted from them,
236were they ty'd fast to the Gate, or how?

237Dunne.     They were not ty'd at all, as I know of.

238Mr. Jennings.     Did you tell Carpenter that their
239Horses were there?

240Dunne.     I did not tell him any such thing.

241L. C. J.     Thou art a strange prevaricating, shuffling,
242sniveling, lying Rascal.

243Mr. Pollexsen.     We will set him by for the present,
244and call Barter , that is the other Fellow.

245L. C. J.     Will the Prisoner ask this Person any
246Questions?

247Lisle.     No.

248Lisle.     My Lord, I hope I shall not be condemned
249without being heard.

250L. C. J.     No, God forbid, Mrs. Lisle ; that was
251a sort of practice in your Husband's time; you
252know very well what I mean: But God be thanked,
253it is not so now; the King's Courts of Law never
254condemn without hearing. Col. Penruddock , have
255you any more to say?
256Col. Penruddock. No, my Lord; but here is one
257Mr. Dowding , that was with me when I searched
258the House.

259L. C. J.     Swear him.

261Mr. Pollexsen.     Mr. Dowding , pray did you go
262with Col. Penruddock to Mrs. Lisle's House?

263Mr. Dowding.     Yes, my Lord: We came to the
264House, and beset the House round, some to the
265back Gate, and some to the fore Gate; we called
266almost half an hour before we got in; and had
267found two, and we came to my Lady; she said, she
268knew nothing of any body being in the House -

269Lisle.     My Lord, this Fellow that now speaks
270against me, broke open my Trunk, and stole away
271a great part of my best Linen; and sure, my Lord,
272those Persons that rob me, are not fit to be Evidences
273against me, because it behoves them that I
274be convicted, to prevent their being indicted for
275Felony.

276L. C. J.     Look you, Friend, you say you went
277with Col. Penruddock to search the House, did you
278find any body there?

279Dowding.     Yes, my Lord, I found this same
280Dunne in a little hole in the Malt-house.

281L. C. J.     Was he covered, or not?

282Dowding.     He had taken some stuff or other to
283cover him.

284L. C. J.     Did you find Hicks there?

285Dowding.     Yes, my Lord, we did find one that
286said his Name was Hicks .

287L. C. J.     Is that the same Hicks that is in Salisbury
288Goal?

289Dowding.     Yes, my Lord, it is; I saw him yesterday
290at the George in Salisbury , when he had that
291Discourse with those other Gentlemen.

292Mr. Pollexsen.     Swear Carpenter and his Wife.

294Dowding.     My Lord, Hicks acknowledged before
295me, that he was at Keinsham , in the Duke of Monmouth's
296Army.

297Mr. Pollexsen.     Come, Mrs. Carpenter , tell my
298Lord and the Jury, did you know the Time when
299these Men came to your Lady's House?

300L. C. J.     Is this the Bailiff's Wife?

301Mr. Pollexsen.     Yes, my Lord, it is.

302L. C. J.     Well then, what say you to the Question:
303Do you know the Time when they came?

304Mrs. Carpenter.     Yes, my Lord, they came at night.

305L. C. J.     Did you see them there?

306Mrs. Carpenter.     Yes.

307L. C. J.     Were they lodged there?

308Mrs. Carpenter.     Yes; but I never made the Bed.

309L. C. J.     Who did?

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310Mrs. Carpenter.     My Lord, I cannot tell.

311L. C. J.     Had they any Supper, or Victuals there?

312Mrs. Carpenter.     Yes, they had.

313L. C. J.     Who dress'd it?

314Mrs. Carpenter.     I did.

315L. C. J.     By whose Order did you dress it?

316Mrs. Carpenter.     By my Lady's Order.

317L. C. J.     Prithee where did they eat their Meat?

318Mrs. Carpenter.     In the Chamber, my Lord, where
319they lay.

320L. C. J.     Who was with them?

321Mrs. Carpenter.     My Lord, I cannot tell, for I
322did not stay in the Room.

323L. C. J.     Didst thou see them when they came
324into the Room?

325Mrs. Carpenter.     My Lord, I dress'd the Meat,
326and carried it within the Door, and my Husband
327set it upon the Table.

328L. C. J.     Prithee tell me who was with them:
329Was thy Lady there?

330Mrs. Carpenter.     My Lady was in presence there
331then.

332L. C. J.     How long did they stay below stairs before
333they went up?

334Mrs. Carpenter.     Truly, my Lord, I cannot tell.

335L. C. J.     Did your Lady use to sup below stairs or
336above?

337Mrs. Carpenter.     She used to sup below, my
338Lord.

339Mr. Pollexsen.     My Lord, if your Lordship please,
340this Woman and her Husband are both unwilling
341Witnesses; but we will examine the Husband, and
342see what we can get out of him. Hark you, Carpenter ,
343did you meet with this Fellow, Dunne , at
344his first coming to your Lady's House?

345Mr. Carpenter.     Yes, my Lord, I did see him
346there on the Saturday .

347L. C. J.     Well then, let me ask you a Question;
348and be sure you tell me the Truth, for it may be I
349know it already; did he offer you a Letter to be
350deliver'd to your Lady?

351Mr. Carpenter.     No, my Lord.

352L. C. J.     What do you say, Barter ?

353Barter.     I saw him produce it to Mr. Carpenter ,
354but he refused to meddle with it.

355Mr. Carpenter.     My Lord, he asked me, if my
356Lady would give Entertainment to one Hicks , and
357another Person, but he did not know who that Person
358was.

359L. C. J.     Did he speak of another Person?

360Mr. Carpenter.     Yes, he did.

361L. C. J.     Who was that other Person?

362Mr. Carpenter.     I did ask his Name, but he said,
363he did not know him.

364L. C. J.     Well then, when they came there on
365the Tuesday-night , how did you receive them?

366Mr. Carpenter.     I did not receive them.

367L. C. J.     Did not you light the Candle, and bring
368it in a Lanthorn, to light him into the Stable?

369Mr. Carpenter.     My Lord, that was afterwards.

370L. C. J.     Did not you bring the Men into the
371House?

372Mr. Carpenter.     No, my Lord, indeed I did not.

373L. C. J.     Did not you see them all night?

374Mr. Carpenter.     Yes, my Lord.

375L. C. J.     Then where did you see them first?

376Mr. Carpenter.     In the Room where they supp'd
377and lay.

378L. C. J.     Did not you meet them in the
379Courtyard?

380Mr. Carpenter.     No, my Lord.

381L. C. J.     Who gave you Directions to light Dunne
382into the Stable?

383Mr. Carpenter.     They told me his Horse was out
384in the Yard.

385L. C. J.     Who told you so?

386Mr. Carpenter.     The Men did.

387L. C. J.     Where did they sup?

388Mr. Carpenter.     In the Room above stairs.

389L. C. J.     Who supp'd along with them?

390Mr. Carpenter.     I cannot say any body supp'd
391with them.

392L. C. J.     Was not my Lady there?

393Mr. Carpenter.     She was in the Room, but I did
394not see her eat any thing.

395L. C. J.     What time of the night did they come?

396Mr. Carpenter.     About Ten of the Clock.

397L. C. J.     And where did they lie?

398Mr. Carpenter.     In the Room where they supped.

399L. C. J.     Who lay there?

400Mr. Capenter.     Hicks and Nelthorp lay there.

401L. C. J.     Was Nelthorp named there?

402Mr. Carpenter.     No, I never heard of his Name
403till after he was taken.

404L. C. J.     What kind of a Man was he?

405Mr. Carpenter.     A tall, thin, black Man.

406L. C. J.     Well, what can you say more?

407Mr. Carpenter.     My Lord, this Person has swore,
408that a Letter was offered me, but I refused it;
409but I assure your Lordship I never saw any Letter.

410Barter.     I am sure he met you, and, as I remember,
411there was a Letter produced.

412L. C. J.     Thou should'st not be angry with him,
413for he spoke very kindly of thee, that thou refused'st
414to meddle in it, and thereupon Dunne went into
415thy Lady, and deliver'd his Message to her.

416Mr. Carpenter.     That, my Lord, I acknowledge.

417L. C. J.     Then, prithee let me ask thee another
418Question: Did you carry any Beer up into the
419Room?

420Mr. Carpenter.     My Lady gave order for the
421Provision.

422L. C. J.     Did you make Dunne drink?

423Mr. Carpenter.     No, I did not.

424L. C. J.     Did you offer him any Drink?

425Mr. Carpenter.     My Lord, I did not see him
426drink at all.

427L. C. J.     What say you, good Woman; Did not
428your Lady sup there?

429Mr. Carpenter.     My Lord, my Wife was little
430there at all?

431Mr. Rumsey.     Now, my Lord, Dunne says he will
432tell all, whether it make for him or against him.

433L. C. J.     Let him but tell the Truth, and I am
434satisfied.

435Dunne.     Sure, my Lord, I never entertained these
436Men a night in my House in my Life; but this
437Hicks sent that Man to me, to go to my Lady Lisle's ,
438to know whether she would please to entertain him:
439And when I came, my Lady asked me, whether he
440had been in the Army or no? I told her, I could
441not tell, I did not know that he was. She then ask'd
442me, if he had no body else with him? I told her, I
443believed there was: This is the very Truth of it,
444my Lord. I asked her, might the Men be entertain'd?
445She said they might. So when we came to
446my Lady Lisle's , on the Tuesday night, somebody
447took the two Horses, I cannot tell who, if I were
448to die; the two went in; and after I had set up my
449Horse, I went in along with Carpenter up into the
450Chamber to my Lady, and to this Hicks and Nelthorp ;
451and when I came there, I heard my Lady
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453or the Maid, I cannot tell which, brought in
454the Supper, and set it on the Table.

455L. C. J.     And did'st thou eat or drink with 'em in
456the Room, or not?

457Dunne.     My Lord, I will tell every thing that I
458know; I confess I did both eat and drink there in
459the Room.

460L. C. J.     I pity thee with all my Soul, and pray
461to God Almighty for thee to forgive thee, and to
462the blessed Jesus to mediate for thee; and I pray
463for thee with as much earnestness, as I would for my
464own Soul; and I beg of thee once more, as thou
465regardest thy own eternal Welfare, to tell all the
466Truth.

467Dunne.     My Lord, I did never know these Men
468were in the Army when I carried the Message to
469my Lady Lisle's , nor never did entertain them in
470my House in my life-time, so much as one Night.

471L. C. J.     Prithee, I do not ask thee what thou
472did'st not, but what thou did'st?

473Dunne.     My Lord, I will tell all I know.

474L. C. J.     What Discourse had you that Night at
475the Table in the Room?

476Dunne.     I cannot tell what Discourse truly, my
477Lord, there was.

478L. C. J.     Was there nothing of coming from beyond
479Seas, who came from thence, and how they
480came? Come, I would have it rather the Effect of
481thy own Ingenuity, than lead thee by any Questions
482that I can propound; come, tell us what was the
483Discourse.

484Dunne.     I do not remember all the Discourse.

485L. C. J.     Prithee, let me ask thee one Question,
486and answer me it fairly; Did'st not thou hear Nelthorp's
487Name named in the Room?

488Dunne.     My Lord, I cannot tell whether he were
489called Nelthorp , but it was either Crofts or Nelthorp ,
490I am sure one of them.

491L. C. J.     Prithee be ingenuous, and let's have the
492Truth on't?

493Dunne.     My Lord, I am ingenuous, and will be
494so.

495L. C. J.     I will assure you, Nelthorp told me all
496the Story before I came out of Town?

497Dunne.     I think, my Lord, he was called Nelthorp
498in the Room, and there was some Discourse about
499him.

500L. C. J.     Ay, there was unquestionably, and I
501know thou wert by, and that made me the more
502concern'd to press upon thee the Danger of forswearing
503thy self.

504Dunne.     My Lady ask'd Hicks who that Gentleman
505was, and he said it was Nelthorp , as I
506remember.

507L. C. J.     Very well, and upon that Discourse with
508Nelthorp , which I had in Town, did I give particular
509Direction, that the Outlawry of Nelthorp should
510be brought down hither, for he told me particularly
511of all the Passages and Discourses of his being beyond
512Sea, and coming from beyond Sea: I would
513not mention any such thing as any piece of Evidence
514to influence this case, but I could not but tremble
515to think, after what I knew, that any one should
516dare so much to prevaricate with God and Man, as
517to tell such horrid Lyes in the Face of a Court.

518Dunne.     What does your Lordship ask me?

519L. C. J.     Come, I will ask thee a plain Question;
520Was there no Discourse there about the Battle, and
521of their being in the Army?

522Dunne.     There was some such Discourse, my
523Lord.

524L. C. J.     Ay, prithee now tell us what that Discourse
525was?

526Dunne.     My Lord, I will tell you when I have re-collected
527it, if you will give me time till to-morrow
528Morning.

529L. C. J.     Nay, but we cannot stay so long, our
530Business must be dispatched now; but I would have
531all People consider what a Reason there is, that
532they should be pressed to join with me in hearty
533Prayers to Almighty God, that this Sin of Lying
534and Perjury may never be laid at thy door. What
535say'st thou? Prithee tell us what the Discourse was?

536Dunne.     My Lord, they did talk of Fighting,
537but I cannot exactly tell what the Discourse was?

538L. C. J.     And thou said'st thou did'st eat and drink
539with them in the same Room?

540Dunne.     I did so, my Lord, I confess it.

541L. C. J.     And it was not a little Girl that lighted
542thee to Bed, or conducted thee in?

543Dunne.     It was not a little Girl.

544L. C. J.     Who was it then?

545Dunne.     It was Mr. Carpenter , my Lord.

546L. C. J.     And why did'st thou tell so many Lyes
547then? Jesu God! that we should live to see any
548such Creatures among Mankind, nay, and among
549us too, to the Shame and Reproach be it spoken of
550our Nation and Religion: Is this that that is called
551the Protestant Religion, a thing so much boasted
552of, and pretended to? We have heard a great deal
553of Clamour against Popery and Dispensations, what
554Dispensations pray does the Protestant Religion
555give for such Practices as these? I pity thee with all
556my Soul, and pray for thee, but it cannot but
557make all Mankind to tremble and be filled with
558Horror, that such a wretched Creature should live
559upon the Earth: Prithee be free, and tell us what
560Discourse there was?

561Dunne.     My Lord, they did talk of Fighting, but
562I cannot remember what it was.

563L. C. J.     Did you lie with them?

564Dunne.     No, my Lord, I did not.

565L. C. J.     Well, I see thou wilt answer nothing ingenuously,
566therefore I will trouble my self no more
567with thee: Go on with your Evidence, Gentlemen.

568Mr. Jennings.     My Lord, we have done, we
569have no more Witnesses.

570L. C. J.     Then you that are for the Prisoner at
571the Bar, now is your time to make your Defence;
572you hear what is charged upon you, and
573you see what a kind of Shuffling here has been to stifle
574the Truth, and I am sorry to find the Occasion
575to speak it, that under the Figure and Form of Religion
576such Practices should be carried on. What
577have you to say for your self?

578Lisle.     My Lord, that which I have to say to it,
579is this: I knew of no body's coming to my House
580but Mr. Hicks , and for him I was inform'd that he
581did abscond, by reason of Warrants that were out
582against him for preaching in private Meetings, but
583I never heard that he was in the Army, nor that Nelthorp
584was to come with him; and for that Reason it
585was, that I sent to him to come by night: but for the
586other Man Nelthorp , I never knew he was Nelthorp ,
587I could die upon it, nor did not know what Name
588he had, till after he came into my House; but as
589for Mr. Hicks , I did not in the least suspect him to
590have been in the Army, being a Presbyterian Minister,
591that used to preach, and not to fight.

592L. C. J.     But I will tell you, there is not one of
593those lying, sniveling, canting, Presbyterian Rascals,
594but one way or other had a hand in the late

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595horrid Conspiracy and Rebellion; upon my Conscience
596I believe it, and would have been as deep in
597the actual Rebellion, had it had any little Success,
598as that other Fellow Hicks ; their Principles carry
599them to it: Presbytery has all manner of Villainy
600in it, nothing but Presbytery could lead that Fellow
601Dunne to tell so many Lyes as he has here told;
602for shew me a Presbyterian, and I will engage to
603shew a lying Knave.

604Lisle.     My Lord, I abhorred both the Principles
605and Practices of the late Rebellion.

606L. C. J.     I am sure you had great reason for it.

607Lisle.     Besides, my Lord, I should have been the
608most ungrateful Person living, should I have been
609disloyal, or acted any thing against the present King,
610considering how much I was obliged to him for
611my Estate.

612L. C. J.     Oh then! Ungrateful, ungrateful adds
613to the Load which is between Man and Man, and
614is the basest Crime that any one can be guilty of.

615Lisle.     My Lord, had I been try'd in London , I
616could have had my Lady Abergavenny , and several
617other Persons of Quality, that could have testified
618how much I was against this Rebellion, and with
619what Detestation I spoke against it, during the time
620of it; for I was all that time at London , and staid
621there till after the Duke of Monmouth was beheaded;
622and if I had certainly known the time of
623my Trial in the Country, I could have had the
624Testimony of those Persons of Honour for me.
625But, my Lord, I am told, and so I thought it
626would have been, that I should not have been try'd
627as a Traitor for harbouring him, till he was Convict
628for a Traitor. My Lord, I would take my
629Death of it, that I never knew of Nelthorp's coming,
630nor any thing of his being Nelthorp ; I never
631ask'd his Name, and if he had told it me, I had
632then remember'd the Proclamation. I do assure
633you, my Lord, for my own part, I did abhor
634those that were in that horrid Plot and Conspiracy
635against the King's Life; I know my Duty to my
636King better, and have always exercised it, I defy
637any body in the world that ever knew the contrary,
638to come and give Testimony.

639L. C. J.     Have you any more to say?

640Lisle.     As to what they say of my denying Nelthorp
641to be in my House, I was in great Consternation
642and Fear of the Soldiers, who were very rude
643and violent, and could not be restrained by their
644Officers from Robbery, and plundering my House.
645And I beseech your Lordship to make that Construction
646of it; and I humbly beg of your Lordship
647not to harbour an ill Opinion of me, because
648of those false Reports that go about of me, relating
649to my Carriage towards the old King, that I was
650any ways consenting to the Death of King Charles I.
651for, my Lord, that is as false as God is true; my
652Lord, I was not out of my Chamber all the day,
653in which that King was beheaded, and I believe I
654shed more Tears for him, than any Woman then
655living did; and this the late Countess of Monmouth ,
656and my Lady Marlborough , and my Lord Chancellor
657Hyde , if they were alive, and twenty Persons
658of the most eminent Quality, could bear witness
659for me. And I do repeat it, my Lord, as I hope
660to attain Salvation, I never did know Nelthrop , nor
661never did see him before in my Life, nor did I
662know of any body's coming, but Mr. Hicks , and
663him I did know to be a Nonconformist Minister;
664and there being, as is well known, Warrants out to
665apprehend all Nonconformist Ministers, I was willing
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667was come down but that Week into the Country,
668when this Man came to me from Mr. Hicks , to know
669if he might be receiv'd at my House; and I told
670him, if Mr. Hicks pleas'd, he might come upon
671Tuesday in the Evening, and should be welcome;
672but withal I told him, I must go away the Monday
673following from that place, but while I staid I would
674entertain him. And I beseech your Lordship to
675believe, I had no intention to harbour him but as a
676Nonconformist, and that I knew was no Treason:
677It cannot be imagined, that I would venture the
678hazard of my own Life, and the Ruin both of myself
679and Children, to conceal one that I never knew
680in my Life, as I did not know Mr. Nelthorp , but
681had heard of him in the Proclamation. And for
682that white-headed Man that speaks of my denying
683them, as I said before, he was one of them that
684rifled and plunder'd my House, and tore open my
685Trunk; and if I should not be convicted, he and
686the rest of them may be call'd to account for what
687they did, for they ought not to have meddled with
688my Goods: Besides, my Lord, I have a Witness
689that can testify what Mr. Nelthorp said, when he
690was examined before -

691L. C. J.     Look you, Mrs. Lisle , that will signify
692little; but if you have any Witnesses, call them,
693we will hear what they say: Who is that Man you
694speak of?

695Lisle.     George Creed his Name is; there he is.

696L. C. J.     Well, what do you know?

697Creed.     I heard Nelthorp say, that my Lady Lisle
698did not know of his coming, nor did not know his
699Name; nor had he ever told his name, till he
700named himself to Col. Penruddock when he was
701taken.

702L. C. J.     Well, this is nothing; she is not indicted
703for harbouring Nelthorp , but Hicks : Have
704you any more Witnesses?

705Lisle.     No, my Lord.

706L. C. J.     Have you any more to say for
707yourself?

708Lisle.     My Lord, I came but five days before this
709into the Country -

710L. C. J.     Nay, I cannot tell when you came into
711the Country, nor I do not care; it seems you came
712time enough to harbour Rebels.

713Lisle.     I staid in London till all the Rebellion was
714past and over; and I never uttered a good Word
715for the Rebels, nor ever harbour'd so much as a
716good Wish for them in my Mind: I know the King
717is my Sovereign, and I know my Duty to him,
718and if I would have ventured my Life for any thing,
719it should have been to serve him, I know it is his
720due, and I owed all I had in the World to him:
721But tho' I could not fight for him my self, my Son
722did; he was actually in Arms on the King's side in
723this Business; I instructed him always in Loyalty,
724and sent him thither; it was I that bred him up to
725fight for the King.

726L. C. J.     Well, have you done?

727Lisle.     Yes, my Lord.

728L. C. J.     Have you a mind to say any thing
729more?

730Lisle.     No, my Lord.

731L. C. J.     Then command Silence.

733Lisle.     My Lord, may I speak one word more?
734My Lord, I beseech you afford me your Patience
735and your Advice; Keinsham , where Mr. Hicks is
736said to be in Arms, does not lie in this County.

737L. C. J.     That is nothing: But the Treason you
738committed was in this County.

739Lisle.     But I assure your Lordship I never knew
740he was in the Army; and for any Talk or Discourse
741in private about his or Nelthorp's being
742there, I never heard any: indeed one of them
743asked me, whether the Duke of Monmouth was beheaded;
744and I told them, yes, for so he was before
745I came out of Town: And that is all the Discourse
746that I can remember, wherein he is concerned.

747L. C. J.     Well, have you any more to say now?

748Lisle.     No, my Lord.